slack1
2018-4-7 22:10:27

This is kind of a more conceptual and perhaps silly question


slack1
2018-4-7 22:10:54

But if I have an interval [0, 1)


slack1
2018-4-7 22:11:08

I think of it as [0, 1] with 1 real removed from it


slack1
2018-4-7 22:11:58

Is it nonsense to say there is a real X that is lesser than 1, but greater than all other reals lesser than 1


slack1
2018-4-7 22:12:50

Because that is the interval [0, X]


slack1
2018-4-7 22:12:58

Which would also be [0, 1)


slack1
2018-4-7 22:13:11

And I’d ask what the midpoints are of both intervals


slack1
2018-4-7 22:13:19

And then I repeat the procedure again


slack1
2018-4-7 22:13:27

perhaps branching the question to snipping off a real from either end


brendan
2018-4-7 22:13:54

(it’s also easy to show you can’t have [0,1) = [0,X] because the topology is wrong. [0,X] is closed, so it contains every limit point, but 1 is a limit point of [0,1) which it doesn’t contain)


samth
2018-4-7 22:14:11

@slack1 it’s correct to say that [0,1) has one fewer real than [0,1] (in a certain sense)


samth
2018-4-7 22:14:36

but as brendan says, there is no real that bounds [0,1) above smaller than 1


slack1
2018-4-7 22:15:29

I see, so you’re saying my X is contradictory


samth
2018-4-7 22:16:09

yes


samth
2018-4-7 22:16:18

to see why, assume there is such an X


samth
2018-4-7 22:16:24

by assumption, X < 1


samth
2018-4-7 22:16:35

then 1 - X > 0


samth
2018-4-7 22:17:03

so then 1 > (1-X)/2 + X > X


samth
2018-4-7 22:17:31

but then (1-X)/2 + X must be in the interval, since it’s less than 1


samth
2018-4-7 22:17:50

but it’s bigger than X, contradicting our assumption that X was the biggest such number


slack1
2018-4-7 22:19:05

ahh


slack1
2018-4-7 22:19:17

the untamable reals


brendan
2018-4-7 22:20:57

Analysis is gross and I don’t like it


brendan
2018-4-7 22:21:17

Which probably why I explained it topologically instead of with inequalities lol


samth
2018-4-7 22:22:39

right, @brendan’s proof is much shorter and more elegant but requires topology instead of high school math