spdegabrielle
2020-9-4 11:45:40

I wish there was a racket FAQ I could post on reddit. starting questions; REPL, Hygienic Macros, Performance, object/class system, etc.


soegaard2
2020-9-4 12:38:57

Consider writing a blog.


spdegabrielle
2020-9-4 13:30:54

I’ll probably do a wiki page, so others can correct my mistakes.


wcbrown
2020-9-4 15:49:47

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maxim_jaffe
2020-9-4 17:25:03

I learned to really appreciate OOP when I tried some Smalltalk, was almost as enlightening as learning Scheme.


maxim_jaffe
2020-9-4 17:28:09

Ideas from Eiffel also helped!


jcoo092
2020-9-4 22:47:49

Remember that these days there’s (at least) two largely-different concepts of OOP: The Alan Kay/Smalltalk approach, and the C++/Java inherit-all-the-things approach. The latter is the unpopular one, and the former isn’t very well known (apart from old-school Apple devs - I believe Objective-C included such an approach as part of its core). The point being that while Smalltalk is called OOP, it doesn’t resemble what people who say they hate OOP are usually thinking of. I’m not sure about Eiffel, but I suspect that it’d be similar, especially going by what I remember of a presentation by Bertrand Meyer of its SCOOP concurrency construct.


samdphillips
2020-9-5 02:19:26

Smalltalk actually invented “inherit all the things” which is why other ideas like traits were developed to encourage sharing of behaviors outside of inheritance. Smalltalk and Java (ca 2000) are not that different aside from closures, types, and the degree of metaprogramming.


samdphillips
2020-9-5 02:27:52

I never really got into C++ so I can’t comment on it.


jcoo092
2020-9-5 02:30:49

From what I understand of Smalltalk (I’m no great expert though), it didn’t end up doing the same sort of thing that C++ (which led to Java taking it even further) did which makes people hate what they think is OOP.

Ultimately I think really the problem, much more than anything else, was that certain aspects were taken too far and became holy laws you weren’t allowed to deviate from, even when sticking to them was by far the worse idea.